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Kyp Jade · Dec 03, 2007, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by axe

When Randomways can get CONSISTANT 3-4 consec. wins I would say that HA is the worst it has ever been.

Oh thats not the best part, the best part is facing a team on underworld, crushing them, get NOP 3 times in a row and then face the same team on feit grounds.

Avatar of Odin · Dec 05, 2007, 03:40 PM // 15:40

You say HA is the best it has been for 2 years yet you focus only on what was bad in HA and has been removed rather than what is actually good about HA, maybe because the answer is nothing is good about HA and it will always be dominated by stupid gimmick builds or farming builds that don't promote entertaining play.

elektra_lucia · Dec 05, 2007, 05:31 PM // 17:31

You have done nothing to backup this claim either. You've merely put your biased opinion as if it was fact, which is no way to argue regardless of whatever point you were trying to make. As for HA being the best. If it was all played with AI and nice builds and HA was played with all AI 2 years ago. I'd consider HA better than it was 2 years ago.

I would like to point out that; in my opinion, if half the rank9+ IWAY'ers were to play balanced, they would lose to hero way. Not because heroes are extremely powerful, simply because people lack skill.

I used to have the view that certain builds were lame. Certain players were lame for playing those certain builds. Just how lame are they exactly? IWAY was and is so ridiculously easy to beat you shouldn't dislike someone for winning with IWAY. You should dislike someone for losing to it. Don't get me wrong, I don't think IWAY'ers make good mesmers. There are some other reasons people play lame builds, or use heroes for example.

I waited until spirit way supposedly got nerfed before I tried it. Of which, when I did try it, it was with rezz anna. I received multiple amounts of abuse from it. People kept saying (after nerf) how it was so over powered. No it's not, what planet are these people on? There is stability, kiting, hexes, wells, loads of things to help against IWAY, spiritway, heroway. Yet, people limit themselves by not making builds and then come back and complain when they lose.

I did the hero way with thumpers, ritualist (with expel hex), necros. Someone only had to divert expel hex, kill some spirits and the whole build failed. There was nothing over powered about it. If you can't kill EW and divert expel hex the entire match. Then it's a simple case of playing badly, not a build being over powered. Then there's the energy problem. So, necros can get a lot of energy from soul reaping, but changeling isn't deemed lame or over powered? It's one of the most over powered skills in the game, for HA. Moving on to the point that, even with maximum energy. It's not like you can actually heal for much. Spirit transfer doesn't heal for much.

When you don't fully understand how to counter a build, then of course it will seem over powered.

The thing I think is lame about certain builds are that SOME (mostly things like b-spike in my opinion) are easy to play for the people that aren't the caller and these people get to rank10 pretty quickly.

I found that with the nerf to spirits, energy was never a problem for the necro. It was simply the fact I couldn't pre-prot or heal as much as I could with a monk. In some ways I think they're ridiculous because they're easy to play but in others I think they're bad because a good monk is worth more than a necro with lots of energy.

Certain people made the assumption that people like rezz anna were bad players. I even made that assumption. We made a pug group, rank10 players that simply couldn't play. I have the view that vent isn't needed for HA. If you got dazed, the majority of the time (in HA, not GVG perhaps) is because you didn't kite properly in the first place. Conditions and hexes can usually be seen by either looking at the ally with them OR by looking at what the enemy is casting. When you remove vent, people aren't telling others what to do. It really does show how clueless people are at the game without others help.

So, once this became apparent how bad rank9/10++ players were (I had taken a break, so I was kind of ignorant at the time). Pugs or even supposedly good 'friends'. We put in heroes, along came the hall wins and 200 fame every few hours. Which may not seem much but if you think how long it takes to set up a build, group, and then win. It worked out better. The problem was never rezz anna playing bad (except the odd match). 99% of the time it was some guy that was simply nothing other than terrible at the game, made a mistake.

Do I consider the heroes over powered? Not at all. People are just bad at the game. Most think they know best, most think they're right on everything, most think they're good at the game. Most have no drive.

Then there lies the other problem. I'm pretty sure that for using heroes for a couple of weeks, playing with thumpers. I will be labled (by a few that saw me play) as a spiritwayer, lamer, etc etc. Oh yes, 30 months of nothing other than balanced won't count for anything. I remember when I was in iA for a short short time, people labled me as an r-spiker even though I had never played r-spike. I played with xCMx, for a little while (have a friend in the game) with balance. I got called an IWAYER. I never did iway with them, or ritspike, and I was never in the guild. I simply played with them a few times.

People are so quick to judge others, and insult others. There is no GG at the end of the battle, there is hardly ever any friendly people on vent. The people that talk the loudest think they're right. Yet, if they were right they wouldn't have to shout to express their views.

So is HA the best it has been in two years? In some ways, yes, in some ways, no.

Do I remember people saying GG at the end of the match. Some signs of respect, and even the odd comment like 'nice infuse'. Yes, I honestly do remember such things. This kind of thing, relaxed play and nice people are what can make a game fun. This has totally gone now, there's always someone flaming someone. Bad guilds that waited for the game to be nerfed and for people to quit, in order for them to become good at the game. It happens every time in every game. There's usually someone playing a build like rit-spike, insulting someone for playing IWAY (both as bad as each other). No one takes responsibility. They always blame others. It really ruins groups for me. I do have a mic, and I'm sure rezz anna does. What exactly am I to do, join in on the flame fest? Hi to the idiot standing in dust trap, but RC won't do much for you. Hi to the idiot runner asking for SoA/spiritbond when if you looked at the game, I have used it on the ghostly because the infuser sucked and couldn't heal the ghostly.
Now the map objectives itself.

Objectives changed. I like the cap points and splits, they really help ruin spike teams (which I don't like :P). They are a great idea. I like king of the hill.

For the lack of fun in HA, I think it's ruined by the people and the builds. Not HA itself (majority).

Arrogance. That's a big thing in HA at the moment. I don't think it was so bad in HA a few years ago. I don't know if I'm arrogant. If I tell someone to run a bar, and they argue with it. Then I kick them, and I get called arrogant. Who exactly is the arrogant one? Myself? Or the person arguing? They obviously think, by the time they've hit rank6 they know so much more than me. So technically aren't they the arrogant one?

I remember korean style groups. There's not much of that now. I dislike it. I think people would be so much better players if they had to think for themselves. Usually there is a loud guy in a group. Will say you can't have a view if you don't talk on mic. If you do talk on mic and prove what an idiot he is you simply won't get to play with them anyway. This is your idea of good?

The debates in HA. How they work (currently):

Person will message you FIRST because they care about something or other (or they would not message). They make no room for a proper debate, only a statement in order to flame. This statement will either be insulting your age, your maturity, if you're arrogant, or that you have something wrong in your life. Insulting your life will always be a passive aggressive statement. Like: I forgive you, you must have a sad life. It is passive aggressive because if this was really the case, they wouldn't waste their time PM'ing you.

Remember, obsessive compulsive disorder exists in 33% of teenagers. Why is it when you read this comment, you probably read the 33% and not the 'TEENAGER'. They will criticize age, yet if they were as mature as they make out they are they would not feel compelled to PM. Every debate will end up with : Why do you care so much? Ironic, because the debate will always start from them PM'ing due to them caring. I honestly don't think HA was this bad 2 years ago. I could leave a group, make a statement or something. I wouldn't get PM'd. Now I do.

These people that say 'gee gee' , 'be are tee' , 'owned' and another 'noob' on mic? What the hell? I would never call someone a nerd, but something is seriously missing for people to behave like this. I use my voice to have a discussion, not to make inane statements. Waste of my breath. I think that leeloof, rezz anna, reflected, are the few people who will play without vent.

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- No more Spiritway. No more Heroway. No more Iway (ok, well, a little Iway but it is fairly trivial), really not many 'annoying-ways'

- Not much 321spike

- Only one ganking map (besides hoh) ... everything else is straight-up

First point. Wrong. Second point. Wrong. Third point. Wrong.

- Wrong.

- Only one ganking map? Uhm. There's gank whenever more than two teams are involved... Moot point.

Whammo · Dec 05, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Will say you can't have a view if you don't talk on mic. If you do talk on mic and prove what an idiot he is you simply won't get to play with them anyway. This is your idea of good?

LOL, is this how you treat everyone you play with huh?

elektra_lucia · Dec 05, 2007, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Absolutely no decent argument. Just a question aimed at me only. Hmm nice. How do I treat people, that is a very good question.

I don't gank people. I am perfectly nice to people. I would leave a group (if vs zaishen or just setting up) to play with a friend. I don't flame people in local (unless they have flamed me numerous times before). I give everyone first, second and third chances. I apologise when I make a mistake, I try not to make it again after I have done so.

I don't tend to talk on mic. I tend to find people extremely unintelligent and I can get bored with what they say. This is not to say I am actually arrogant because I do not think that intelligence is everything in life. However, it is a big key to interesting me. If someone doesn't interest me, I have no reason to pay interest in them, and only the game.

I am perfectly nice (repeated) but when someone insults me for how I play, when it is quite apparent to anyone with half a brain that they are talking complete nonsense because they didn't study the game fully then I am not a nice guy.

It is all down to my morals. If I think someone's behaviour was completely unjustified, I act completely unjustified. If I have left a group to play with a guild of which a friend is in. Then I find the infuser is not healing the ghostly and I have to run back and prot and heal him. Remove snare off runner (note the runner never died). To find I am bitched at. Then I find that unjustified.

Does that mean I would metaphorically kill someone for punching my arm? Sure. Would I do it with a rusty knife? Yes. Would I feel guilty? No. I wouldn't want to metaphorically get sent to jail either.

My behaviour can seem insane (I think I'd quite easily kill someone for money, if I knew I'd get away with it). It can seem arrogant. You have to ask yourself though. Perhaps you've ever flamed someone before, did you ever think that maybe it was their fault, or a contribution of lots of things. I say you. It could mean anyone reading this.

I am not actually like most people. I can talk generally. The problem is, I can be talking about an experience, but then some guy from a guild will come along and post, arguing with me personally because HE thinks I am talking about HIS guild when infact I am talking about another. Then of course, I will be flamed, I will defend myself. Probably insult his guild anyway. Only to find I am banned from the forum. Which will result in someone else saying my points are invalid, because I could not stop myself being banned from a public forum.

Interesting. So the question must be asked:

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LOL, is this how you treat everyone you play with huh?

:].

Rich_-_Kane · Dec 05, 2007, 07:26 PM // 19:26

elektra, people use mics on vent so they dont have to look at every single player every single spell being cast. to make it more fun, easier and relaxed to play. you truly feel you are above all this and see nothing arrogant in yourself, then i wonder if u truly understand what you are typing. now your going to say flame flame flame, age, arrogance, noobie. dont bother im probably never going to look at this post again.
terrible builds are for terrible players and theres nothing wrong with that, noobs need a way to get rank and i say go if u can beat a decent team you should do it.
You say 'you hate it when people change there bars and nothing works' so why do you do it? now u say you dont like i said dont bother responding.
You claim 'your not arrogant and you say sorry for making a mistake' without using a mic and the only reason u dont respond to people who flame at you is because you think your above them, please look up the definition of arrogance.
'waste of my breath' because your breath is so so important we should be paying to hear you talk.
people call dazed because its impossible to see 16+ things happening at the exzact same time, if you think you can do that which i believe you do then your above arrogant and theres nothing to describe you.
you dont gank you dont flame you dont join in anything it sounds like. you dont want to play with people so why play an mmorpg, go play a single player game because all of us are obviously below your great standards.
tbh i think this topic is going off point.

ha was way better before because players were all worse and people just had a laugh while they were going, nothing was lame because everything could be beaten. noobs could get fame and who cares if they can only play warrior let them, some people like to think their godlike, let them. HA now is a few teams and alot of iway. iway loses and some jumps, no one cares then everyone ganks in hoh, boring and anoying. people dont win from skill they win from luck. HA was way better in 6v6, easy.

To the guy who claims ha popularity went down for 6v6 and up for 8v8, no you just didnt notice it because you had less people waiting and more people playing 6v6 was better and more tactical. my opinion.

Shmanka · Dec 05, 2007, 07:58 PM // 19:58

I liked 6v6 without the broken paragon crap. I still don't understand why its 8v8. So many people complained about 6v6, and to change it back to 8v8 and things are just as problematic. They nerfed Oppressive Gaze and Soul Reaping is still on a timer. I don't get half the stuff they are doing. I think people in the balance team are just rolling dice once every 4 months. I also hated holding. There wasn't as much skill involved as there is now. Holding included 2 CG rangers 3 monks and avoiding AoE. Ghostlies were interrupted for entire matches. This was repeated over and over and over. This randomized format is decent. It could be better I agree.

Renowned Spartan · Dec 05, 2007, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by Shmanka

I liked 6v6 without the broken paragon crap. I still don't understand why its 8v8. So many people complained about 6v6, and to change it back to 8v8 and things are just as problematic. They nerfed Oppressive Gaze and Soul Reaping is still on a timer. I don't get half the stuff they are doing. I think people in the balance team are just rolling dice once every 4 months. I also hated holding. There wasn't as much skill involved as there is now. Holding included 2 CG rangers 3 monks and avoiding AoE. Ghostlies were interrupted for entire matches. This was repeated over and over and over. This randomized format is decent. It could be better I agree.

Oh, I don't know, maybe because it was 8v8 ORGINALLY? Have you ever heard of the saying: "Don't fix it if it ain't broke"? Well, when Anet supposedly "fixed" an unbroken 8v8 HA, and made it 6v6, there were not many positive results. They claimed this would make more teams and availbility for lower ranked players to get into teams. It did not. In attempts to "undo" what they had destroyed, the brought back 8v8 again. It did not help.

elektra_lucia · Dec 05, 2007, 08:17 PM // 20:17

Rich_-_Kane-

Rofl, so you guys are just going to bring this whole thread down to an argument about me? Niceeeee. Is there actually a point to your post? Lol... I'll try debate as best as I can, but when you make statements and not room for a discussion it is some what hard to debate. I'm going to have to quote a lot probably because your post is choppy.

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elektra, people use mics on vent so they dont have to look at every single player every single spell being cast. to make it more fun, easier and relaxed to play.

I never asked what people use mics for. Thank you for this inane statement. I stick by my view that if people didn't use ventrillo so much, they would improve at the game. You also don't have to look at all the players in the game. It is like reading (unless it's a story book). Sometimes you can scan for things... If you're a PD mesmer, frontliner, monk, it's highly important to be aware of things. This makes me sound like a noob (lol). Obviously you have to be important of your awareness with every profession. Being lazy doesn't help you improve, being lazy doesn't make you a good player, and being lazy isn't fun for me.

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you truly feel you are above all this and see nothing arrogant in yourself, then i wonder if u truly understand what you are typing

Firstly, you say look up the word arrogance. I'm fully aware of the dictionary and since I am going to try steer clear of arrogance in this post, I am going to assume as I am not above you, you will also be aware of the dictionary. So you will be aware that arrogance has actually changed in definition over the last two weeks. You will be aware that the dictionary always changes. If you pick up on one point and try to prove I am arrogant you will only end up with a straw man fallacy. I do not deem myself more important than you. I do not think people should pay to hear me talk. I do think that, for the greater good if you like, it is best I do not talk on vent. You do not realise how stupid I make people feel when I talk to them. I sound stuck up, I sound sarcastic all the time (I am sarcastic, but I don't always mean to be). I tend to annoy people easily. I realise this is some what of a fault in me, and with the fact that people bore me to death, I just don't wish to talk to them. In this game. Note, THIS GAME.

I will talk to mouz.a.open and friends from that, I will talk to fnatic. I'll talk to people that interest me. It is NOT arrogance that I won't talk to people who bitch at me. Why would I? They are not rational or logical people. I don't think I'm better than people in general, just because I think I'm better than them.

Arrogance was the belief that you are better than people in general. Due to the English language changing so much it is extremely hard to either argue I am arrogant, or defend myself from being arrogant.

Maybe I am. You aren't exactly helping the situation when you make yourself look so much less than me, are you?

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people call dazed because its impossible to see 16+ things happening at the exzact same time

There is 8 players. So are you saying two conditions on a player? Where did this magical 16 come from? If there was so many conditions, I would RC and expect draws probably.

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and the only reason u dont respond to people who flame at you is because you think your above them

I think I'm above them. Yes. That doesn't make me arrogant though. Think of it like this. You've gone to mensa, you've been told your i.q. is within the top 2% of the population. Most things (nearly everything) in your life you have done, you have been good at. You put absolutely no effort into school, and got good grades all the time. You were attractive. You could be funny (in real life, not so much online). You had a bad education for English. You were king, considerate and helpful.

One day, you walk across the road. You see a man who is hurt, you go to help him. Then a person comes along and shouts at you for driving in the wrong lane (even though you walked across the road). Tells you, you're a horrible person.

Do you argue? Why? Do you think that someone randomly shouting at you is worth arguing with? If they are so wrong. This isn't arrogance just because for a bit you may think you're better than this person. Why are they worth your breath? Really?

Now imagine your friend is with you. You haven't spent much time with this friend, but you don't want to give a bad impression of yourself. Is it a good idea to shout back with this guy who has the COMPLETE wrong end of the stick?

I don't think it is. don't get me wrong, if the person comes up to me and hits me three times. I'll kill him, and I mean. Kill him.

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ha was way better before because players were all worse

This is nonsense. Sorry but it is.

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nothing was lame because everything could be beaten.

Everything can be beaten now...

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You say 'you hate it when people change there bars and nothing works' so why do you do it? now u say you dont like i said dont bother responding.

What the hell? Is there any sense in your post? so let me get this right, you're telling me to argue on vent with people. Then you're telling me not to reply, when you write garbage? I really don't understand. If you're such a weak person that you argue and then tell me not to reply purely so you won't be beaten in a debate then how on earth am I not going to think I'm better than you?

I talked about changing bars, due to synergy of the build. I don't even know what you are talking about. Do you?

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your above arrogant and theres nothing to describe you.

Wow, finally. You got it. I don't think I'm better than people.

I know it. On a serious note, this is what is running through my head at the moment. The people who generally want to flame me are stupid, mean people that I am above. I probably am arrogant. I was probably wrong to say that so I am sorry for saying I am not; however, the mere fact I apologise and admit I am wrong only goes to make me look more arrogant and indeed a better person. You see, people rarely admit they are wrong. If I can admit that, it is a positive in my personality and it's a positive over yours. With the fact that I am probably better looking than you, smarter, kinder, faster, quicker (you get the point). I can't really help my arrogance...

I think I am damned if I do, and damned if I don't. If I speak on vent and point out peoples mistakes. I won't get time to look at my own. I want to look at my own, I am not flawless how I play. I think that if I argue on vent in a friends team I am going to make my friend hate me. I think if I don't argue, people will just continue to flame me. I think that due to my sexy voice, girls will just hit on me. I prefer them rejecting me. more of a game I guess, I dunno. I am not like

(you should know who I'm talking about).

Oh and I did play 1v1 FPS games. I was one of the best, but I wanted something new. That's why I came to MMORPG. Regardless, don't waste your time psychoanalysing me.

Shmanka · Dec 05, 2007, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by Renowned Spartan

Oh, I don't know, maybe because it was 8v8 ORGINALLY? Have you ever heard of the saying: "Don't fix it if it ain't broke"?

So seeing the same guild name hold for hours on end was not broken to you when there are better skilled players? Such as one team holding for 2 minutes and one team luckily capping last second?

Legally · Dec 06, 2007, 12:27 AM // 00:27

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Originally Posted by Shmanka

So seeing the same guild name hold for hours on end was not broken to you when there are better skilled players? Such as one team holding for 2 minutes and one team luckily capping last second?

Nice Joke . . . . ... ......

Legally · Dec 06, 2007, 12:29 AM // 00:29

Guild Wars is over really.
To late for changes.

Good Luck on gettin players for guild wars 2 !! ( Smiling )

Renowned Spartan · Dec 06, 2007, 10:24 PM // 22:24

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Originally Posted by Shmanka

So seeing the same guild name hold for hours on end was not broken to you when there are better skilled players? Such as one team holding for 2 minutes and one team luckily capping last second?

And that didn't happen in 6v6? When 6v6 was implemented, individual players made incredible amounts of fame. For instance, Sierra Ele. Sierra was a good friend of mine in game. Once 6v6 was implemented, and systematically a new campaign, all he did was grab 2-3 Thumpers with the new RaO Skill (When you didn't need a pet) and some Paras and he went from r6-10 in 2 weeks. Even so, by your argument, they fixed RaO to make it only usuable when both the Pet and Ranger were alive. He still went in and held halls for some good hours.

elektra_lucia · Dec 07, 2007, 12:08 AM // 00:08

The fame system has and always will be broken but it shouldn't bother anyone. I had this attitude never to play anything other than balanced, now I am kind of slack but even so, I think it helped. When I GVG the transition isn't so bad.

How do you think people that got rank0-10 playing smash face on screen assassins in HA will do at GVG? I think they will/do suck.

So these kids got a tiger from sway, a phoenix from iway, a deer from double fame, and a wolf from rit spike. Why care about it? The fame system is really broke, but it could be worse. People only exploited it. Not all HA'ers got their fame from lame ways either.

Uchiha Quartz · Dec 10, 2007, 04:24 AM // 04:24

Ive ran HA most of the time and started again recently after I took a break when I got tired facing spiritway the whole time.... most of the HA'ers thought

if you cant beat um, join um... so every 2 out of 3 matches you faced spiritway wich was really annoying and unmotivating to play at all kinda reason i stopped gw for a while.

So recently i started again... 2 many iways and lotsa people of (r6/r9) have shitty attitude..... (sure there are nice highrankedpeople arround I just dont see um as often as i used to) everytime you're in a group there are always 1 or 2 people cussing at eachother (omg you fail, plz kick him, ragequit etc) I loved pugging people get on vent and have a good time whilst playing HA... everything is way to serious now, people need to lighten up its just a game

Sinful Doom · Dec 10, 2007, 08:42 AM // 08:42

Played tombs tonight for the first time in a loooong time. I quickly realized why I stopped playing, IT'S COMPLETE TRASH... The new maps are dumb and zergway or some other gimmick on every map. (Not like there weren’t these in the past but still zzzzzzz) Once again damage in a straight up 8v8 match is ridiculous but that's what everyone wanted, 8v8. I certainly miss the tombs of long ago and miss the recent 6v6 version of it even more...

Draccor The Great · Dec 10, 2007, 09:31 AM // 09:31

I may be out of line here due to the fact I am only a week into ever doing HA.

We ran 33 matches yesterday and out of those matches 25 of the was sometype of spike. Icy Veins Blood Para Rit Ranger and Rodgarts,

The original post was not much spikeing going on now, was just wondering what HoH he is playing.

My team it's self runs Rodgarts Spike most of the time.

Or you find yourself up against and ele ball or Modded Iway team.

Does Noone Do just 8 vs 8 no spikes you against us.

elektra_lucia · Dec 10, 2007, 12:43 PM // 12:43

Check the date of his post, and what HoH was like then. Builds change. He could be wrong or right, I don't remember now.

Personally spikes are easy to play vs and can be fun

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Kyp Jade · Dec 10, 2007, 01:46 PM // 13:46

Best HA has been in 2 years? Gee I dont know but every other balance team likes to pack ward v harm. Better load up on non fire damage aoe effects to punish ward camping.

As for spikes, old school meta works wonders against them atm, modern day spikes get crushed by a little interuption thier spikers.

wuzzman · Dec 10, 2007, 02:04 PM // 14:04

ward against harm ain't that good really. As one of my monks put it "I do better to move out the aoe anyway".